{"id":1895,"date":"2017-11-16T11:56:58","date_gmt":"2017-11-16T16:56:58","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/lisa.rushworth.us\/?p=1895"},"modified":"2017-11-16T13:08:04","modified_gmt":"2017-11-16T18:08:04","slug":"more-corporate-tax-rate-bullshit","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.rushworth.us\/lisa\/?p=1895","title":{"rendered":"More Corporate Tax Rate Bullshit"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"\" data-block=\"true\" data-editor=\"456jm\" data-offset-key=\"sf4m-0-0\">\n<div class=\"_1mf _1mj\" data-offset-key=\"sf4m-0-0\"><span data-offset-key=\"sf4m-0-0\">I&#8217;m never sure if &#8216;lower the corporate tax rate&#8217; people are just completely ignorant of how business accounting actually works or just a pack of liars (not mutually exclusive, I know). <\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"\" data-block=\"true\" data-editor=\"456jm\" data-offset-key=\"2gph1-0-0\">\n<div class=\"_1mf _1mj\" data-offset-key=\"2gph1-0-0\"><span data-offset-key=\"2gph1-0-0\">\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"\" data-block=\"true\" data-editor=\"456jm\" data-offset-key=\"2q48q-0-0\">\n<div class=\"_1mf _1mj\" data-offset-key=\"2q48q-0-0\"><span data-offset-key=\"2q48q-0-0\">The idea they promote is that CapEx isn&#8217;t deductible like a business&#8217;s current expenses &#8211; CapEx gets depreciated over a number of years. If I buy a new snazzy machine for my manufacturing plant and pay half a million dollars for it, I actually deduct 100k a year for the next five years. Depreciation calculations are more complicated, but the crux of it is [cost] \/ [years over which product depreciates]. And there&#8217;s a whole table defining depreciation periods. <\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"\" data-block=\"true\" data-editor=\"456jm\" data-offset-key=\"1p6bo-0-0\">\n<div class=\"_1mf _1mj\" data-offset-key=\"1p6bo-0-0\"><span data-offset-key=\"1p6bo-0-0\">\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"\" data-block=\"true\" data-editor=\"456jm\" data-offset-key=\"fse9g-0-0\">\n<div class=\"_1mf _1mj\" data-offset-key=\"fse9g-0-0\"><span data-offset-key=\"fse9g-0-0\">*But* section 179 deductions allow the full cost to be deducted the first year. These deductions have a 500k limit and a spending cap of like 2 mill. The whole thing is more complicated because there are years where bonus depreciation is a thing &#8230; but like the &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/lisa.rushworth.us\/?p=1455\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">OMG the corporate tax rate is 35%<\/a>&#8221; (on business that have over 18 MILLION a year in taxable income) &#8230; &#8220;Lowering the corporate tax rate will spur investment&#8221; is only *maybe* true for companies talking about multi-million dollar investments. This isn&#8217;t something meant to help the small manufacturer. Say my small\/medium business that sunk half a mill into a snazzy machine and *didn&#8217;t* depreciate it over time. Under Section 179, I deduct the whole equipment purchase this year &#8230; which is a bigger savings the *higher* the corporate tax rate happens to be. Thus I&#8217;ve got less incentive to invest in new equipment if the tax rate is lowered. <\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"\" data-block=\"true\" data-editor=\"456jm\" data-offset-key=\"7o5ga-0-0\">\n<div class=\"_1mf _1mj\" data-offset-key=\"7o5ga-0-0\"><span data-offset-key=\"7o5ga-0-0\">\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"\" data-block=\"true\" data-editor=\"456jm\" data-offset-key=\"cjj63-0-0\">\n<div class=\"_1mf _1mj\" data-offset-key=\"cjj63-0-0\"><span data-offset-key=\"cjj63-0-0\">Since they&#8217;re talking about 35% tax rates, we&#8217;re writing tax code to benefit GE (Apple, Amazon, insert your favorite enormous company here) &#8230; it isn&#8217;t like capital expenditures aren&#8217;t written off income AT ALL. Depreciation is spread out over the useful life of the equipment. Computers depreciate over 5 years. Cars and trucks depreciate over 5 years too. Equipment used in the manufacture of musical instruments depreciates over 12 years. <\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"\" data-block=\"true\" data-editor=\"456jm\" data-offset-key=\"ffrop-0-0\">\n<div class=\"_1mf _1mj\" data-offset-key=\"ffrop-0-0\"><span data-offset-key=\"ffrop-0-0\">\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"\" data-block=\"true\" data-editor=\"456jm\" data-offset-key=\"7jupj-0-0\">\n<div class=\"_1mf _1mj\" data-offset-key=\"7jupj-0-0\"><span data-offset-key=\"7jupj-0-0\">What makes investing in large capital expenses more attractive? I&#8217;m GigantorGuitarCo and we&#8217;re talking two hundred eighty million dollars in receipts and a hundred fifty mil in taxable income. And I buy a six million dollar something-or-other to make guitars. At a 35% corporate tax rate, my tax deduction by depreciating that purchase is 2.1 mil. At the 20% corporate tax rate, I only reduce my taxes by 1.2 mil. And yeah it sucks that I had to outlay six million dollars this year and only got to save 175k on my taxes. But doesn&#8217;t it suck *MORE* to spend six mil and only save 100k on my taxes?? <\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"\" data-block=\"true\" data-editor=\"456jm\" data-offset-key=\"4qtu0-0-0\">\n<div class=\"_1mf _1mj\" data-offset-key=\"4qtu0-0-0\"><span data-offset-key=\"4qtu0-0-0\">\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"\" data-block=\"true\" data-editor=\"456jm\" data-offset-key=\"2usni-0-0\">\n<div class=\"_1mf _1mj\" data-offset-key=\"2usni-0-0\"><span data-offset-key=\"2usni-0-0\">Now the theory is that lowering the corporate tax rate will leave the companies with more money *to* invest. In this case, GigantorGuitarCo didn&#8217;t *have* 6 million dollars and instead spent years using sub-optimal processes because they simply didn&#8217;t have the money to invest &#8211; regardless of how much they&#8217;d be able to save on taxes *by* making that investment. I&#8217;m paying 52 million in taxes at 35%, but next year my taxes, at 20%, will be 30 mill. Frees up 22 million dollars, and I use that money to buy a whole bunch of equipment. Honestly, my best case would be that the corporate tax rate was 20% for ONE YEAR. Lets me free up capital to invest in my business, then give me the maximum tax benefit as I depreciate out the equipment. <\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"\" data-block=\"true\" data-editor=\"456jm\" data-offset-key=\"21b9m-0-0\">\n<div class=\"_1mf _1mj\" data-offset-key=\"21b9m-0-0\"><span data-offset-key=\"21b9m-0-0\">\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"\" data-block=\"true\" data-editor=\"456jm\" data-offset-key=\"6qqhp-0-0\">\n<div class=\"_1mf _1mj\" data-offset-key=\"6qqhp-0-0\"><span data-offset-key=\"6qqhp-0-0\">But that&#8217;s mathematics without thinking about business. As the CEO of GigantorGuitarCo &#8230; wouldn&#8217;t I use a loan (business interest is tax deductible too), hire a couple of new tax attorneys, or lose some equity and do a fund raising round to get that six million dollars if the machine was going to provide some huge benefit to my company? And if the machine isn&#8217;t going to provide that much benefit &#8230; why wouldn&#8217;t I take my 22 mil in tax savings and stash it somewhere? Buy the machine when we *need* it, or when tax rates go up and the ROI calculation is different. <\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"\" data-block=\"true\" data-editor=\"456jm\" data-offset-key=\"2t28v-0-0\">\n<div class=\"_1mf _1mj\" data-offset-key=\"2t28v-0-0\"><span data-offset-key=\"2t28v-0-0\">\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"\" data-block=\"true\" data-editor=\"456jm\" data-offset-key=\"9oom1-0-0\">\n<div class=\"_1mf _1mj\" data-offset-key=\"9oom1-0-0\"><span data-offset-key=\"9oom1-0-0\">Sure there are edge cases where lower tax rates will spur investment in the business &#8212; *some* CEOs raised their hand when <a href=\"http:\/\/thehill.com\/policy\/finance\/360444-trump-economic-adviser-stunned-after-few-ceos-say-they-will-invest-more-if-tax\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Gary Cohn asked if they planned increased investments when the GOP tax plan passes<\/a>. [Although these may just be die-hard trickle-down guys who will SAY anything to promote corporate tax cuts] But the entire point of business&#8217;s investment (and the rational for depreciating CapEx instead of allowing full cost deduction in the first year) is that the new thing-a-ma-bob adds value to your business. My six million dollar investment makes guitars better\/faster\/with less human labor, thus increasing my profit margin. Said another way, CapEx is meant to increase employee productivity. Short some dramatic surge in demand &#8230; increased productivity means *fewer* employees. Not stellar economic stimulus, that. <\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I&#8217;m never sure if &#8216;lower the corporate tax rate&#8217; people are just completely ignorant of how business accounting actually works or just a pack of liars (not mutually exclusive, I know). \u00a0 The idea they promote is that CapEx isn&#8217;t deductible like a business&#8217;s current expenses &#8211; CapEx gets depreciated over a number of years. &hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[41],"tags":[255,439,289,288,50],"class_list":["post-1895","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-politics","tag-corporate-tax-rate","tag-disingenuous","tag-political-bullshit","tag-tax-reform","tag-taxes"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.rushworth.us\/lisa\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1895","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.rushworth.us\/lisa\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.rushworth.us\/lisa\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.rushworth.us\/lisa\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.rushworth.us\/lisa\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=1895"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/www.rushworth.us\/lisa\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1895\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1899,"href":"https:\/\/www.rushworth.us\/lisa\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1895\/revisions\/1899"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.rushworth.us\/lisa\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=1895"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.rushworth.us\/lisa\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=1895"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.rushworth.us\/lisa\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=1895"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}